A Conversation with Matt Haig
In The Dead Fathers Club, you have chosen to reimagine not merely a classic but arguably the classic work of English literature. Where does one get the daring to wrestle with a giant, and how did you go about making Shakespeares story into your own?
Well, I didnt begin with a conscious desire to rewrite Hamlet. I began with the desire to tell a story about grief from a childs perspective and I found myself gravitating increasingly toward these grand Shakespearean themes. And yes, its a massive risk, and Im not the one to judge if Ive pulled it off. But I think all writers feel the ghosts of literature breathing down their neck, so I figured it might as well be Shakespeare looking over my shoulder as anyone else.
In your opinion, how important is it to your readers enjoyment that they have read or reread Hamlet recently?
My intention was to write a story that connects with people emotionally and hopefully that connection works the same with or without an in-depth knowledge of Hamlet. After all, Shakespeare himself was the king of rewrites, and Hamlet itself echoes earlier vengeance stories.
One of the greatest challenges a writer faces is sustaining a narrative voice that differs from his or her own natural mode of expression. How were you able to think your way so successfully into the mind and diction of an eleven-year-old boy?
F. Scott Fitzgerald said when he wrote he felt like he was holding his breath and swimming under water. With The Dead Fathers Club it was certainly written at quite a breathless, intense level, and came from a place I cant easily locate. But once I had the voice, it was there and I was able to see everything through Philips eyes.
You do a fine job of evoking Philips preadolescent alienation, both from his family and his peers. What enabled you to write so sensitively about Philips feelings of inferiority and exclusion?
I guess I too was a bit of a loner at that age, and found it difficult fitting in at a large new school. I ended up remembering a lot of painful stuff about my own childhoodthe school side of it, rather than the family side of it, as my home life was generally happy. I think as a writer its actually an advantage to have that feeling of being outside things, because it sharpens your perspective. At the same time, its very painful as a child to feel like that because all you want is to be accepted. As an adult its almost a badge of honor to be a bit of an outsider. But to get back to your question, a lot of my experience was thrown in there. For instance, some of the scenes with bullies brought back my own memories and the scene where Philip sleepwalks on a school tripthat was me.
In the prose style of your novel, as well as in its concern for the inner reflections of a troubled youth, some readers may catch echoes of Burgess and Sillitoe. Apart, obviously, from Shakespeare, whom do you look upon as the major literary influences on this book?
In terms of style, Id say Joyce and all those other experimenters gave me the freedom to play fast and loose with punctuation, using it as and how I wanted rather than as the rules of English grammar dictate. I think Updike said that for a novel to be truly original it has to create its own language, and I definitely tried to make Philips voice as unique as I could. Novels like A Clockwork Orange and even The God of Small Things influenced my approach to creating the right language, aiming to give words the freedom and flexibility of thought. But generally my literary heroes are those who understood intelligent fiction can also be entertaining and gripping. Anyone from Dickens to Twain to Graham Greene. I think writers can experiment and entertain, embracing all those crazy things like plot and character that used to bring Virginia Woolf out in a rash.
In the chapter titled Slaves, Philip observes that true freedom is unattainable. He suggests that, so long as human beings remain in their bodies, they are subject to constraints that at times become almost intolerable. Do you have additional thoughts on the problem of human freedom, in your novel or elsewhere?
I think freedom is a tricky concept for human beings. Wars are now fought in its name, but we still dont really get a handle on what true freedom means. Its consciousness that makes it such a problem. I dont think cats go around worrying about feline freedom in quite the same way. Because we are aware of this mortal coil we spend our lives seeking answersin religion, in fiction, in each other. Human freedom, I suppose, is only possible in the imagination, which is why we need stories and cats dont.
A crisis in your story comes when Philips girlfriend is in mortal danger and he has to break out of the Hamlet story line in order to save her. In that moment, he reasons that life is not like a TV with only one channel and that we have power to change the story. Why did you decide to have Philip change the story, and is there anything further you would like to say about Philips revelation?
This is the moment of empowerment for Philip, who until this point has felt like everything is out of his control. This, if anything, is the message I wanted to get across: To do the right thing we sometimes have to take the unexpected path. It goes back to my belief in instinct rather than premeditated thought being a better way to go about things, whether writing a novel or living a life thats true to itself.
Even though, as the author, you possess the ultimate power to change the story, you have chosen to give your novel an ending that many readers may not feel is an optimistic one. How did you come to this particular ending for the book?
In theory, yes, the author has that ultimate power but with this novel the ending was the only one that fitted, and it dictated itself. It is bleak in some ways, but there is optimism there too. I hope.
What are you working on now?
Another novel that again looks like its heading into some dark territory. Its about a man who, following the death of his wife and son, goes to obsessive lengths to keep his daughter safe. Ive also got a childrens novel coming out soon, called Shadow Forest. Even that manages to contain its fair share of tragedy amid the lighter stuff. I try not to write stories that are either consistently dark or light, as life contains its share of both. Comedy is how we cope with tragedy, so I dont see how you can exclude one from the other. Life is the biggest black comedy there is.
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