James Rollins discusses the truth behind The Map of Bones and also answers many
questions relating to his life and work in general..
Truth or Supposition: the Vatican employs an elite cadre of spies
around the globe?
That would be true. Like any government, the Vatican does indeed maintain
a sophisticated intelligence-gathering operation, even employing full-time
agents. One of its most notable and heroic missions took place during the
Cold War, when the Vatican attempted to smuggle priests into the Soviet Bloc
to act as spies.
And even today, such clandestine operations continue. During the Iraq
war, the Vatican maintained detailed intelligence of conditions on the
ground -- gleaned not from individual spies, but from its community of two
hundred thousand Iraqi Catholics. And perhaps therein lies the Vatican's
greatest strength: Between its diplomatic ambassadors, its worldwide
charitable organizations, and its millions of parishioners and lay persons,
the Vatican certainly maintains a sophisticated global network of eyes and
How did you learn of this, if indeed true?
Despite the Vatican's code of silence on this matter, painstaking
research by David Alvarez resulted in a detailed treatise on this subject:
Spies in the Vatican: Espionage & Intrigue from Napoleon to the
Holocaust. The author's main source for this book came from an American
Jesuit Robert Graham, who spent decades in Rome investigating espionage. And
I find it intensely interesting that shortly after Robert Graham's death,
the Vatican ordered all his research papers sealed and returned to Rome. It
seems the code of silence still continues.
Map of Bones is laced with items of interest about holy
relics; how did you research the origin of items, and what what importance
do they hold to believers?
Raised a Roman Catholic, I was well versed in the trials and tortures of
the many saints throughout the ages and the veneration of their bodily
remains. But it was only while researching this book that I learned how
Catholic canon law requires every chapel or church altar to enclose some
form of relic within it. I learned further, that in order to meet this
demand, the Vatican maintains its own 'relics library,' a storehouse of
filing cabinets, shelves, and drawers filled with bits of bone or spoonfuls
Why I wondered? Why this cultish reverence to body parts? The official
answer was that the bodies of saints were imbued with the Holy Spirit, and
it was this Spirit was that revered after death, not necessarily the
physical remains. But as I researched, I wondered if there could be a deeper
mystery here. Answering this question became the first step to building the
story of Map of Bones.
Your books often interlace high-concept scientific theory within the
pages of your novels. While not wanting to spill any undue secrets about the
plot of Map of Bones, can you give us the scoop on some of the
breaking-news scientific concepts you laced through the pages of this book?
Ah, a peak behind the curtain. Suffice it to say that the science behind
this story is not fiction, but based on current research going on in labs
around the world, including British Aerospace, Argonne National
Laboratories, even Boeing Labs. The investigations center on a new form of
solid matter that was recently discovered -- or should I say re-discovered?
Further research into this subject matter also revealed an intriguing
historical trail, stretching back to medieval alchemists and beyond. But to
tell more would spoil the adventure!
This book launches a new series, based upon the SIGMA force introduced in Sandstorm: why the move to linked novels, from your compellingly
readable stand-alone thrillers of the past?
For years, readers have contacted me and asked questions about various
cast members from my earlier books. What became of Ashley and Ben's baby
after Subterranean? What is the next port of call for the crew of the
Deep Fathom? What about was incubating in the tanks at the end of Excavation?
I came to realize that I wanted to know those answers, too. I was no
longer satisfied with the confines of a single book. So I challenged myself
to construct a series -- something unique and distinct. I wanted to build a
landscape of three-dimensional characters and to create my own mythology of
these people's lives. I didn't want to fashion a series like the hundreds
out there already, where one character is constantly bumbling into one
harrowing adventure after another, who never really ages, who never really
While there certainly will be a central recurring character in the
series, the supporting players will come and go in what I describe as a
"revolving set of characters around a central figure." All these characters
will grow over the course of the series, balancing personal lives and
professional, some succeeding, some failing. The same with the central
character, a new member to Sigma Force: Commander Gray Pierce. He will
struggle to find his own path to balance family, God, and country, stumbling
along the way, but ultimately finding his path.
Speaking of Sandstorm, what is this we hear about the cover
treatment of the newly released mass market edition making publishing news?
I certainly have to give my publishers credit for breaking barriers with
the mass market editions of my books. With my first book, Subterranea,
my publishers took a chance by developing a multiple stepback cover -- the
first of its kind. And once again, they're pulling out all stops and
releasing Sandstorm with a new lenticular holographic cover,
employing a new patented technology. And as a writer who delves into new
sciences, what could be more gratifying?
You've said that that Map of Bones is the religious man's answer
The DaVinci Code; but that indeed, you started writing this long
before Dan Brown's pivotal work of fiction was published. Can you expand
Map of Bones was my attempt to tell a historical thriller set
against a backdrop of mythology, Catholicism, and current-day technology.
And while I knew in advance my novel would be compared to Dan Brown's
The Da Vinci Code, the germ for this idea actually started about ten
years ago. I had come across a text while vacationing in Rome, about Vatican
history and intrigue during the Great Schism where Europe was split by popes
and anti-popes and the papacy was driven out of Rome to France. I found this
bit of history fraught with possibility. But I didn't yet have the fictional
thriller to go with it. So over the course of the past decade, I began
collating ideas, bits of character, trickles of storyline until the larger
story gelled into existence. This became came Map of Bones.
Still there is another underlying reason I decided to tell this story
now. Many thrillers, when collided with the Catholic Church or the Vatican,
paint the Church, faith, and belief in a disparaging light. In Map of
Bones, I sought to show the Church and its past in a manner that is both
realistic and acknowledges some of the Vatican's corrupted past, but also
stresses the role of Church as a fundamental factor in forming Western
Civilization, and how faith in all its forms is as part of human nature as
our own biology, whether it be the belief in God, a Higher Power, or in the
substantive good in mankind.
And yes, besides all that, it's also a nonstop wild chase around the
Mediterranean through tombs, crypts, crumbling palaces, and the Seven
Wonders of the Ancient World.
We've been calling Map of Bones the genesis of a genre;
you're calling it the birth of a new kind of thriller ... what sets this
book apart from the works of your literary counterparts, such as Brown,
Crichton, and Carr?
I think you've tapped the perfect trio of writers to illustrate my goal.
Michael Crichton is a master of the scientific adventure. Caleb Carr is a
pure genius at constructing historical mysteries. And Dan Brown has broken
unprecedented ground by turning art history and religion into a breakneck
I want to do all this and more. In the world at large, science has its
own history, religion has its own mystery, mythology has its own truth. Why
can't a new genre encompass all these realities? I intend this new series to
do just that, to break down the boundaries of genre, to seamlessly blend
historical mystery, breakneck thriller, and scientific adventure.
And ultimately I hope the result will not only excite a reader into
turning pages, but also move and intrigue the reader to investigate beyond
the covers of the books.
As I wrote in the Author's Note at the end of Map of Bones, the
greatest path to truth is found in the simple adage: Seek and you shall
Frequently Asked Questions
How do you handle a writer's block?
The wry answer: With two books a year to complete, I don't have time for
writer's block. But more seriously, I think times when a story begins to bog
down and I feel "blocked" is most often due to something intrinsically wrong
with the scene or character or point of view I'm working on. Sometimes I have
to backtrack and search for where the story had gone astray and edit things
back into proper alignment. Once I correct that error, the story flows with
more vigor again and we're off and running.
Have you ever put yourself into a story?
I think there is a part of me in every character I creategood and bad.
That's one of the best parts of writing: to explore those dark corners of your
own psyche, to fathom the depths of your own character, and to challenge
yourself. What could be more fun?
Has a character from your writing ever influenced your real life in a
Characters are always surprising me, taking stories into unexpected
territories or ideas. I swear sometimes my characters have come up with
elements all on their own and I'm just the chronicler. I can't say any
specific character "changed my life," but by exploring the human condition of
various characters and living in their skins over the course of a book, I
think my own appreciation and patience for the quirks, foibles, and
eccentricities of my fellow man has grown.
What did you do to celebrate your first book being published?
I had a huge party with friends and family. But you'll have to ask them
about it...for some reason, after countless bottles of champagne, I can't seem
to remember the details.
Do you have any traditions associated with writing?
Nope. I write in all sorts of circumstances and conditions: in a quiet
office, with music blaring, with the television running in the background, on
airplanes, in hotel rooms, outside, inside. I don't like tying my writing down
to certain required conditions/traditions for fear that it will lock me into a
pattern that will trap rather than allow me the freedom to explore and grow.
But I do have certain code that I attempt to stick to: write everyday, read
everyday. That's enough of a tradition.
What book of yours do you think would make the best movie?
Egads! That's a tough one. I live and breathe my characters' lives. Their
story rolls through my head like a movie each time. I'd be hard pressed to
pick a novel that I'd most like to see. Each books have moments that I'd love
to see on the big screen.
What character from your writing stays with you the most?
Depends on the day. But most often it is not past characters that influence
me, but the current ones in the work-in-progress. I so get under these folks'
skins that it can take me up to an hour to shake loose of them and return to
reality. I'm often dazed and incoherent for a bit while coming up for air
after writing for a spell.
Is starting a new book difficult for you?
No, that's the best part. Nothing is more exciting and challenging than
bringing to life for the first time a new story and characters. It's like
exploring a new world each time.
Do you have a recurring detail that appears in your books?
I think one of the recurring themes in my novels is the exploration of how
advancing technology effects us. Technology is not all cogs and wheels. There
is a human cost to every bit of technology. It regularly tests society's moral
compass. Is human cloning good or bad? What about stem cell research on
aborted fetal tissue? What about the escalating realism of the violence in
video games? Can and should we engineer our children in the womb? At every
turn, in every facet, technology tests a societymorally, spiritually, and
economically. And at the pace in which technology is leaping and bounding we
are quickly outstripping our abilities to rein in our advancements or to
adequately judge where these technologies will take us.
So what to we do? Where are we heading?
Such questions are wonderful fodder in the modern scientific adventure.
Through the vehicle of the adventure story, I can explore not only the
physical threat of unchecked advancements but also the spiritual and moral
dangers. Because fundamentally, the true terror of technology is not the cogs
and the wheels, but how it will change us.
And even more frightening . . . will we even have a voice in this
How much research do you do for a novel?
Too much and not enough. When I research, I usually have 4-5 books that are
my research bibles for a particular novel. Then I branch off onto the Internet
for additional tidbits and also do phone interviews with experts in their
respective fields of study. It is surprising how open and helpful people are
in this endeavor. For instance, while researching details on the space
shuttle, I was lost among the volumes of information on NASA's web site.
Finally frustrated with labyrinthine layout of the site, I contacted the
webmaster of the site and asked for information. Two days later, I found on my
doorstep the entire technical manual for the shuttle, hand-delivered and
dropped off. That's just one of countless examples of folks who have gone out
of their way to help an author. It's also a great way to create new fans!
What prompted you to select the type of fiction that you did as you
became a novelist?
I think most novelists write what interests them . . . which was a quandary
for me, as my reading interests were wide and varied. Though I'm an avid
reader of all the current thriller writers, I also love horror, scifi/fantasy,
and mysteries. When I first began writing, I dabbled in short fiction, trying
various voices, styles, and genres. It was all terrible, stuff buried now deep
in the backyard. But it did serve to find the voice that most spoke to me and
allowed me to tackle my first novel-length project, Subterranean. This first
book, like Excavation, is really a cross-genre novel, a mix of ALL the tropes
of my favorite genres: a mainstream thriller at heart, but with a bit of
mystery and a dark current of sci-fi/fantasy coursing throughout it.
What writers and/or novels and films influenced the direction of your
I have been asked this question many times at signings, conferences, etc.
And initially I would shrug. I read so avidly that it was difficult to say who
most influenced my work. It actually took a reader to expose the heart of my
deepest influence. After reading Subterranean and Excavation, he emailed me to
tell me I was ripping off Doc Savage. After reading this, I glanced to my
library's bookshelves, sitting there were all 182 Doc Savage novels (Bantam
reprints, not the actual pulps). He was right! I read these from adolescence
through high school and was absolutely in love with these "scientific
adventure" books. Sitting next to them were smaller collection of other pulp
reprints: The Shadow, The Spider, The Avenger.
So at the heart, my deepest influence are the old pulps. On some
unconscious level, I've been trying to bring back those old dime adventure
stories, recast into the present, adapted to modern technologies, and given a
Other influences on a more conscious level are Jules Verne, H.G. Wells, and
H. Rider Haggard (as of course Subterranean was clearly a modern adaptation of
Verne's Journey to the Center of the Earth). But for more more current
influences, I would definitely have to include the mainstays of thriller
fiction: Crichton, King, and Cussler.
As a follow-up to the previous question: Excavation works very well
within the category of the traditional lost world/lost race adventure as found
in H. Rider Haggard and Edgar Rice Burroughs--a narrative tradition that
extends back historically to the classic scientific romances of Jules Verne in
the nineteenth century-- but then you've added your own highly inventive
variant to this category of fiction (the conclusion of your novel, for
example, offers a wild ride indeed not found in the work of Verne, Haggard, or
Burroughs). How did you decide to write Excavation, and did you deliberately
construct your story within the narrative tradition of the lost world
I did indeed construct Excavation specifically as a lost world novel. My
editor even classified my early books as "lost race" novels. The germ of this
specific novel came from two ideas that merged together.
- A lost Incan tribe still surviving up in the Andes
- And the possibilities of nanotechnology being used to evolve the human
I love merging the ancient and the modern, then stirring that pot and
seeing what develops. You'll see this blend in each of my books.
Additionally, I also like to peel back ancient myths and search for the
hidden truths behind these stories. In Subterranean, it was Aboriginal
mythology. In Excavation, it was Incan mythology. In Deep Fathom, it was
How would you describe your larger philosophy of writing and
My goal when I set out to write is not to examine the human condition or
explore the trials and tribulations of modern society. When I set out to
write, I aim for pure balls-to-the-wall adventure, pure escape and
entertainment. I follow the three M's of storytelling: murder, magic, and
But with that said, I don't think any adventure story will work unless you
do indeed engage the reader on a level deeper than pure popcorn-entertainment.
He must care about the characters or why join you on this journey? He must be
invested in the character to care about their fate. So though entertainment is
the goal, it is equally important to craft characters who will live, breathe,
and bleed in your reader's heart and mind. As such, the human condition of
your characters must be addressed and examined. They must be brought to life
with all the frailties and quirks and problems and nuisances that the reader
brings with him to the books. For the reader to relate, he must find something
in which to relate. This must not be neglected. I strongly believe that
character and plot must be tightly interwoven, especially in adventure
fiction. One will not work without the other.
How do you view the element of suspense in your work? As a practical
question, how do you structure it and manage it in your plot?
Suspense is the true heart of all good adventures, the proverbial "cliff
hanger." You take your character (and reader) to the edge of disaster, have
him peer over, then push him from behind when they least expect it. And the
crux of a good thriller is to make those cliffs higher and higher throughout
the novel. Strive for tightening that noose notch by notch. Each level of
suspense should build upon the other. Each situation must be unique, each
outcome more inventive. Lester Dent (author of most Doc Savage novels) once
suggested: "never kill characters the same way twice." He was rightalways
strive to be unique. Finally, let the reader rest between events, then just as
they think they've caught their breath, hit 'em again and again and again. And
one last note on the practical side, always end a chapter with a note of
peril, whether physical or emotional. Make that reader want to turn that next
page to see what happens.
How do I get published? Do I need an agent?
Here's the basics in a nutshell.
- Finish your book. A first-time writer needs to have the ENTIRE novel done before approaching
an agent or publisher. Print it in proper manuscript format. Guidelines can be
found in most how-to write books.
- Get an agent.
Which means first finding the right agents to send your book to! I used
Jeff Herman's Insiders Guide to Book Editors, Publishers and Literary
In his book, he has most of the agencies fill out a Q&A, specifically asking
them what they like to represent and what they don't. Grab a pen and start
circling those agencies that sound like they would want to represent your
material (obviously you don't want to waste your money and their time if the
agent only represents non-fiction and you have a fiction piece). Once you have
a list, then follow proper submission guidelines: a ONE-page query note
(consisting of a hook to the story you're writing, why you're the best one to
tell this story, the proposed market for this story, and any publishing
credits), the first 50 pages of your novel, double-spaced and free of errors,
and a brief synopsis (5-6 pages), and a SASE for their response.
Then start sending it out and sending it out!
Now that all said . .. ONE WARNING! There are a lot of scam agencies out
there. NEVER pay a cent up front for ANYTHING (not a reading fee, not a
copying fee, not an editorial/book doctor fee). If you send something
somewhere and get such a response, toss it IMMEDIATELY into the trash can, cuz
that's where you're money would be going if you sent it.
So that's the skinny on "the agent hunt." Be wily, be persitent, be patient
. . .
One of the worst things for unpublished authors is having their
manuscripts returned to them with a rejection; presumably this also happened
to you. How did you react to the rejection?
That is a tough part about writing: eventually you have to send your baby
out into the big, mean world and hope it is not treated too poorly. But it
always is. Rejections are a matter of business for a writer. How I handled it
was by never giving up. In one word: Persistence. I would float out ten query
letters to agents. Every time I got a rejection, I would simply send out
another letter to another agency. Thus there were always at least another ten
chances of getting published waiting in the wings. This helped to take the
hopeless sting out of those many, many, many rejections.
What about writer's groups or critique groups?
There are different schools of thought on this. I'm on the pro-side of
critique groups. I think they're a valuable way to get feedback on your
writing. In fact, I belong to a local writer's critique group here in
Sacramento. I started with this group when I was writing short fiction, and
after seven published novels, I'm still with the same group. They are my
proverbial "first readers." I value their opinion and input. Not a page gets
published that is not read and commented upon by them first.
Do you have any advice for authors who are looking to get published?
I could write volumes on this subject. But it basically boils down to a few
key items. First: READ. Read everything in the genre you want to write, but
don't limit yourself. Read broadly. The best teacher of writing is a good
book. Second: WRITE EVERYDAY. Even if it's only a few paragraphs, set aside
some cracks in time to spoil yourself with the luxury of writing. If you write
everyday and read everyday, your own skills will improve constantly. As you
write and stumble on a scene or ponder some technique to develop character,
you'll find the answer in the next book you pick up and read. You'll
constantly finding yourself going, "Oh, that's how you do that!" So let me
repeat: the best way to learn to write is simply to read. Lastly and again
this is a repetition: PERSISTENCE. Once you're happy with your project, chuck
that baby out there
and keep sending it out there until someone notices. Also
allow the power of networking to help you: go to conventions, writing
conferences, booksignings. Talk to authors, agents, publishers. Sometimes this
can be the backdoor into getting your own work noticed! So there you have it:
read everyday, write everyday, and persist in your dream.
Can you describe your typical writing day?
I am fairly regimented in my writing: I get up and go immediately to the
computer. I will write for two hours, then I take a two hour break, then back
again for two hours. Then I print up what I wrote and hand-edit it in the
evening, giving it a polish, then enter those edits, so I can start fresh the
next day. I'll do this 5-6 days a weeks.
How extensive is your research before starting a novel do you need a
set level of comfort from your research before you begin to write, or do you
do research as you go?
When I do my initial research--and this all applies mostly to the
thrillersI'll research until I have a good feeling of place, and I have the
dynamics of the scientific mystery established. Then I'll construct the plot.
Once this is accomplished, I'll begin to write, and what I'll find is that
I'll have a score of niggling details to research during each writing shift.
This is minor stuff: street names, a bit of detail on a gun, some snatch of
foreign language. I'll research this on the fly. Sometimes as I write,
sometimes when the day's writing is over. The choice often depends if the
detail needed will set some tone that I want to establish in the scene
then I'll pop on the Internet right then and grab what I need. If not, then
I'll wait until the day's end when I'm polishing and line-editing.
I've read that you are an avid scuba diver and enjoy spelunking. Do any
of your experiences find their way into your novels?
Oh, I think each and every one of my novels has some character either
heading underwater or underground. It allows me to live vicariously through my
characters as I'm landlocked in my office.
We know you have retired from fulltime veterinary work. When did you
decide that you were successful enough as a writer to safely move from one
career to the other?
It was a gradual process. I first sold my veterinary practice after selling
my first two thrillers, but I continued to work as an employed veterinary at
the same facility. This allowed me to shed the business responsibilities and
wear one less hat to work. Over three more years, I graduated down to
part-time, then weekend work, and then I stepped away completely. Now all I do
is a monthly spay-and-neuter clinic at the local animal shelter here in
Sacramento. Ultimately, the question is when can one step away from their "regular" job? I had read somewhere about the
"Rule of Five." You have to have
five books out on the shelves, all earning royalties, before you can safely
give up the day job. And oddly enough, this is about what happened to me. By
the time, five books were on the shelves, I had stepped away.
Do you have any favorite authors?
I always hate this question. Though I ask it of fellow authors, too. My
reading habits are wide and free-ranging. So it's hard to say I have a
particular favorite, but I'll list a few. In the classics department, I'm all
about Dickens and Twain. In modern literature, I read every word of Annie
Proulx. In thrillers, I love the three K's: Koontz, King, and Crichton (okay
the last does not start with a "K" but it sounds like it does). In mysteries,
I really love Janet Evanovitch, Nevada Barr, and the new writer, P.J. Tracy.
In adventure fiction, I read everything by the writing team of Douglas Preston
and Lincoln Child. In science fiction and horror, I love the cross-genre
writer, Dan Simmons, and brilliant space opera of Lois McMaster Bujold. In
fantasy, I am enamored and envious of the talents of George R.R. Martin and
Stephen Donaldson. And I'm sure as soon as I turn around and look at my wall
of books in my library that I've forgotten a thousand-and-one other absolute
favorites. So let me stop here.
How do you choose the name's of your characters?
It does take some thought. I often take half a book before I even discover
my main character's real name. I don't know if I have any specific process. I
look through phone books, or if I hear of any unusual name, I note it. Then
it's a matter of mixing and matching, trying a name on for size, playing with
it, then finally settling on one that fits best.
Should popular fiction be taught in schools?
I certainly do think there is a viable place for popular fiction in a
school's curriculum. To expose students to only work that is deemed "high art"
or "literate" is to ignore the long tradition of storytelling as popular
entertainment. Shakespeare in his time was considered a popular storyteller,
delving in themes of revenge, comical tomfoolery, and high romance. Since when
did imagination become less important than theme when assigning value to
literature? If schools are going to instill a love of reading in students,
then give them something they'd love to read. Rather than MOBY DICK, put THE
SHINING on the must-read list. Both novels deal with men driven my compulsion
and madness. But which is going to excite the present-day student? Which is
going to thrill a student into exploring past the required reading list? So
perhaps there is a place for popular fiction in school...if for no other
reason but to remind students that reading is not supposed to be an assignment
but an entertaining means of enlightenment.
The above interviews are reproduced with the permission of James Rollins' publisher Harper Collins. The first, questions about
Map of Bones, first appeared at www.harpercollins.com in 2005, the second, frequently asked questions with James Rollins, was reproduced from the author's website at www.jamescollins.com.