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Did your views change with regard to what constitutes the nature of consent and, in the author's words, "a child's right to "bodily sovereignty?"

Created: 09/10/17

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davinamw

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Did your views change with regard to what constitutes the nature of consent and, in the author's words, "a child's right to "bodily sovereignty?"

Wavy's consent is violated in a number of ways that are never punished – like Liam trying to force her to eat. Yet when she does (very willingly) give consent to Kellen, Kellen is punished. Did this change your view of what constitutes the nature of consent and, in the author's words, "a child's right to "bodily sovereignty?"


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RE: Did your views change with regard to what constitutes the nature of consent and, in the author's words, "a child's right to "bodily sovereignty?"

I think this is a tricky question to answer. My views changed in regards to this relationship. I don't think I could generalize for most children. Wavy grew up so fast and was so needy of care and affection. She was the caretaker at such an early age. I think she was able to decide what was sexually acceptable for her but it was a complicated decision coming from so many different needs.


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jenniferj

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RE: Did your views change with regard to what constitutes the nature of consent and, in the author's words, "a child's right to "bodily sovereignty?"

They softened in terms of the fact that it is important to take all aspects of the story into account. I was extremely disappointed in Aunt Brenda who seemed more focused on her version of justice than the best interest of Wavy. Overall, I do think children need to be protected because even teens who think they are all grown up do not realize the situation they may have put themselves in. For instance, if Wavy really was thinking as an adult and truly loved Kellen, she would have never made a physical gesture toward him, knowing it could ruin his life and land him in prison. In this instance, however, I would have been comfortable, with them marrying if past the age of parental consent and then having relations, because quite frankly this was the best situation for Wavy given the options.


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ScribblingScribe

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RE: Did your views change with regard to what constitutes the nature of consent and, in the author's words, "a child's right to "bodily sovereignty?"

I think it depends. There is no easy answer here. Within the context of the story, it made sense. That does not mean it would for any other child. I still believe that children are not capable of giving informed consent. I would not support it. The amazing thing about this book is that the author managed to show a story where it did. That is rare. It's what made the book stand out. The author was walking a fine line and made it look easy.


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rebeccar

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RE: Did your views change with regard to what constitutes the nature of consent and, in the author's words, "a child's right to "bodily sovereignty?"

In this book, of course, I wanted Wavy to have bodily sovereignty because so many of the adults in her life are a total mess emotionally and psychologically.My views did not necessarily change because I have occasionally seen television reports of some 19 year old male being charged and sentenced to a life as a registered sex offender with a 15 year old girl that looked very "worldly wise" and "experienced." When the two individuals said they had dated and been together willingly for a long time, it seemed wrong for one to have a criminal record because of black and white laws. Situations like that are different than the pedophiles that abduct little children. Kellen clearly is not a pedophile, and Way has depended on him as a source of sanity for a long time.


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terriej

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RE: Did your views change with regard to what constitutes the nature of consent and, in the author's words, "a child's right to "bodily sovereignty?"

This was very confusing for me. I went into the book with a solid opinion of the meaning of consent when a minor is involved. Wavy was so damaged and Kellen was her only refuge. She was mature beyond her years form a very early age. I guess my opinion now is there are mitigating circumstances that could enable a minor to give full consent.


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laurap

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RE: Did your views change with regard to what constitutes the nature of consent and, in the author's words, "a child's right to "bodily sovereignty?"

My views did not change, because they are context and circumstnace dependent to some extent, but I would generally not approve of a relationship between a fifteen-year-old and a 27-year-old unless there were incredibly extenuating circumstances. I think such circumstances are involved in this story -- but the relationship still made me incredibly uncomfortable.


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JulieAB

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RE: Did your views change with regard to what constitutes the nature of consent and, in the author's words, "a child's right to "bodily sovereignty?"

I do not think I can really answer this in the way I want to. I can't put into words my thoughts. Before reading this book, I would have said that a teenager can't consent. But, having read this book, my thoughts get jumbled. I give this book five stars as it is the first book in a very long time that stuck with me long after reading it and continues to make me question black and white rules


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mal

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RE: Did your views change with regard to what constitutes the nature of consent and, in the author's words, "a child's right to "bodily sovereignty?"

My views did not change. Despite the terrible circumstances plaguing Wavy - she is still a child. Wavy's bond with Kellen was strong but nonetheless when intimacy entered it changed the dynamics greatly, a wrong no matter how damaged the participants. A child does not have the capacity to decide on such heavy matters.


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